Showing posts with label Retales de Carnaval. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Retales de Carnaval. Show all posts

Thursday, October 14, 2010

.. more of those pesky gerunds.


Well..... more Gerund stuff.
Firstly, it seems to me that the main problem with the spanish gerund and its use is that you need to know when to use it.... because you only use it in certain situations and these are NOT all the same situations in which you would use it in English... and in other languages too.

In the main, TRANSLATING gerunds from Spanish into English is hardly a problem.... but the other way round leaves you having to make decisions, and do some grammar.... ouch!

For a start, you mainly use a Gerund in Spanish with or to do with VERBS.

Sometimes they describe more fully the action of a verb...
he came tumbling into the room
Annabel drove gazing at the scenery
.... yep, you can use the gerund

Other times the gerund is used to indicate purpose of the action...
He rang expecting me to help him
He fired several shots, trying to kill me..... That's a gerund all right


Similarly, it can be used to show the method of carrying out the verb's action

You could really hurt me by lying about this
You are hoping to annoy me by just sitting there saying nothing.


Rather oddly, you use it to describe/qualify the OBJECT of the verb... in general, the spanish gerund isn't normally used to qualify a noun in the way we do in English

He went into the back room and saw Ethel jumping out of the window
He heard Genevieve crying in the distance

Note that both of these usages involve verbs of perception.... generally the gerund would be used when the action is ( or wasn't yet) finished... otherwise the infinitive is used.In both my examples, you can see that neither Ethel nor Genevieve has finished.
By this time you are beginning to realise what a heap of thinking has to go into all this.... those native speakers are lucky devils, eh .

The grammar books are stacked with other odd little usages, like
.. using the gerund with andar means the action of the main verb is aimless.
... as in " He goes around the house whining like a lost dog"

There's loads of dinky rules/usages like that.

What I do is, I just collect lots of sentences with gerunds in them and try to work out why they used it... which category it slips into etc.

BUT BUT BUT here's some situations where you should NOT use the gerund....

... NO... when the -ing verb is used passively ( You're not worth saving)
... NO.. .when the -ing verb sits in front of a noun.. ( writing paper)
NO... when the -ing verb is actually an adjective..( an amazing fish)
NO.. when there's a preposition in front ( this is not for shooting goats, I won't put up with frowning at the weekend) but "by" is OK for some reason.

OK... plenty for you and me to think/worry/panic about there then.
Just to add to our woes here's a thoughtful little list of sentences containing -ing words which I have borrowed from an excellent article on the scotthornbury site... try it!

So folks, what, grammatically is going on in these sentences, and in which ones would you use a gerund... and if not, what would you do ?

She remembers running up the aisle

a £17,000 flood after the royal taps were left running.

A HUSBAND and wife were convicted yesterday of running a brothel

I knew that my horse was capable of running well

We love running, so why not save on wedding cars?

Running a large application on a PC is fine

Mary waited and watched her running down the road.

Tomorrow Mr Foggerty is taking them running

there was a running battle between police and conservationists

accusations that its trains have suddenly started running late

“The only way you’re going to hurt me is by running away from me,”

The sort of things they do in the wild, running , jumping, pirouetting

What fun!! But now, to sooth the boiling brain, some smashing music which with salve those jangling brain cells and leave you gasping for more..

Having recently got the Nena Daconte CD Retales de Carnaval I'm very keen on this lovely song... cuando mueren las malditas golandrinas...



Brilliant! Love those beautiful pedal notes.They're totally blissed out singing that.The thing is, though... which way do we translate "malditas?"

Lyrics to (Cuando Mueren) Las Malditas Golondrinas :
Cada día un poco más despacio
pero sin embargo siempre vuelvo a comenzar
Después de cualquier frase bonita al oido
como cualquier aspirante desconocido,
me pongo a llorar..
Inesperada sensación la de estar sola
con tanta gente alrededor
Lo de antes, Lo de siempre, Lo de ahora
todo junto me hace delirar
A borrachera diaria se me olvida.

ESTRIBILLO
Cuando mueren las malditas golondrinas
ya no vuelven nunca a la ciudad
Los montones de momentos que pase
contigo a solas ya no volverán. (x2)

si no entiendes que en la vida necesitas
también aprender a ganar
Me dijo un caballero inglés perdido en
Buenos Aires que ahora vive en Madrid
Yo le dije al invierno que en otoño
a algunas de ellas ya las vi pasar
Desnuda por la calle en primavera
ya no hay flores que plantar.

ESTRIBILLO
Cuando mueren las malditas golondrinas
ya no vuelven nunca a la ciudad
Los montones de momentos que pase
contigo a solas ya no volverán.

Como un potro desbocado e indigente
que no ha estado y sin aire ya
alargando hasta el máximo cada suspiro
en las subidas de felicidad.
[ (Cuando Mueren) Las Malditas Golondrinas Lyrics on http://www.lyricsmania.com/ ] THANKS AGAIN FOR THESE LYRICS....

Tuesday, October 12, 2010

.. the quivering Gerund..





Having planned to write about the GERUND today, I searched around a bit for funny pictures ( I knew that Gerald Scarfe had drawn some cartoon "gerunds" somewhere) etc... but found a few other interesting things.

One of my "jobs" with this blog is to show other learners of Spanish (like me) interesting resources, good things to read and listen to, learning aids, handy mnemonics etc.

Well then , in my search for GERUND things, I found a really nice Spanish-language blog by someone calling herself "Gerund".. I've put a link to it in the sidebar. Just reading a little bit of her blog I found myself looking up quite a few new words,some of which I haven't deciphered yet That's a good thing in itself.

Her blog title ends with " y otros comics bajo presupuesto ".. well bajo presupuesto means " budget-priced, low-cost" which is new to me and very useful for a skinflint like me. Her blog address itself is, in part, violentamentefeliz, or "vf" which seems to be the name of a comic ... obviously I need to read more! It's always good and motivational to be looking forward to reading some new Spanish stuff.

Anyway, I found a few of Scarfe's Gerund drawings, including " A fierce gerund attacks two harmless pronouns" and " A Gerund cuts a Gerundive."

You can get T-Shirts with "Ask Me About Gerunds" on them as well.

In English, gerunds are -ing words like running, walking, eating, talking and so on... we use them a lot in many different contexts and as several different parts of speech.
In " A Baking tray" it's an adjective
When we say " Henry was dribbling" we use it as a part of a verb formation.
In " Fishing is the top recreation in the UK for males" it's a noun.

Luckily in Spanish its use it limited to a few special cases.
And the gerund is INVARIABLE!! What relief that word brings to the language learner... I'll say it again.. theGerund is INVARIABLE. ¡ Fatal !

all you have to do is...

Stick -ando to the stem of -ar verbs
Stick -iendo to the stem of -ir and -er verbs

If the stem ends in a pesky vowel, you just stick a "y" in... so the gerund of caer = cayendo.

AMAZINGLY only 3 verbs have a [slightly] odd gerund...

Venir.... viniendo
Decir ...diciendo
Poder ... pudiendo they aren't too awkward.

One awkward thing though is that it is easy to think that some Spanish adjectives which end in -ente / iente / or - ante are gerunds.
But these always qualify NOUNS not VERBS.

In Spanish it is often used with a verb to desribe what is happening a bit more... "He came stumbing across the lawn" where "stumbling" is an adverb making it clear exactly how he "came" across the lawn.

Well, next time, lots of gerunds in use, and some more info about them .

But I've gone on for long enough.. here is the music... it's Mai Meneses singing " Ne Me Quiero Morir " with her great guitar player Kim Fanlo [ together they are called Nena Daconte] and a noisy chattery audience..



and here's those letras de cancion..

El mundo ya no gira, ¡y que me digan! , en la misma dirección.
La gente ya no dice lo que piensa y en medio estamos tu y yo.
Que vamos caminando por la vida sin querer mirar atrás, soñando y con lo puesto, así se vive, hace falta poco más.

No me quiero morir pensando que otra vez se me escapo la libertad, pensando que también me he vuelto a equivocar bajo un cielo tan inmenso.
No me quiero morir pensando que tal vez se nos quedó la soledad bailando, bailando.

Después de cada día llegan las noches contigo pero un día no vendrán.
El dinero que he ganado con mi tiempo, eso no lo va a cambiar.

Por mucho que lo busco yo no veo que después haya algo más.
Sólo ser agradecida por bagar a la deriva. Me da ganas de gritar.

No me quiero morir pensando que otra vez se me escapo la libertad, pensando que también me he vuelto a equivocar bajo un cielo tan inmenso.
No me quiero morir pensando que tal vez se nos quedó la soledad bailando, bailando.

Well, I wonder why I chose that song... it's from ther CD Retales de Carnaval.

If you want a neater, clearer studio version, here it is... but you've only got a still picture to look at...